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hacke es ab. bush führte kriege auf basis von falschen behauptungen und ist heute noch auf freien fuß. die usa erkennt nicht mal den internationalen gerichtshof für menschenrechte in den haag an.

 

 

für Qashmane!
DANKE
und Grüsse der charly

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Zitat mypenneys:

Ileens will you be there Wed Thu Fri
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Zitat ilenes:

I will be, if the hearings continue

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MfG.L:)

Es ist wohl eine Festplatte defekt, deswegen ist Aktienbase nicht erreichbar. Hoffentlich bekommen die das bis morgen hin, ansonsten müssen wir um Asyl bei Ariva bitten.^^

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Schönen Abend noch
Tom

Danke, greentom

MfG.Greenlabel :)

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Zitat ilenes:
Ilenes wird wieder vom Hearing twittern und DanBB soll den anschließenden "Audiowiedergabepart" übernehmen ...
siehe Post:

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MfG.L:)

 

patience-han:

"Our goal is to seek/obtain the maximum recovery for the equity.

Our objectives at the forthcoming hearings, in my view, could look like  this: (1) take control of the NewCo (WMMRC). We have (a) IT arguments,  and (b) NOLs/WMMRC valuations from PJS and BDO to help us achieve this  objective. (We can now see more clearly EC’s foresight of acquiring BDO  on 4/18. Even though at that time the debtors/SNHs had already engaged  with EC on settlement talks, EC never relaxed but stay focused on NOLs  and confirmation battle. (2) Apply FJR across the board; and (3) even  better, make equitable disallowance happen. Both (2) and (3) are relied  upon IT charges too. And of course, the decisions will be the Judge’s.

As we know, per settlement talks, the debtors/SNHs were “willing” to  give up the NewCo in exchange for dropping IT charges. For EC to walk  away from the talk, I’m thinking not just because of TPS roadblock, but  also possibly EC has certain degree of confidence in taking over WMMRC  via court battles based IT (and possibly valuations too). To me, the  control of WMMRC is a life and death issue for the equity. It’s our  bottom line. For SNHs, their life and death issue is the equitable  disallowance. I expect both sides, EC/TPS and debtors/SNHs, will fight  tooth and nail on those two issues.

(4)   A higher objective is to defeat GSA itself using “good faith/bad  faith” argument, which is, of course, a big part of IT charge  implication. As I explained recently in another post, it will be a  steep, uphill battle. The recent ruling on ANICO by appeal court and the  Stern Decision by the Supreme Court may offer us some hope, especially  the Stern Decision. Since I am not a lawyer, I don’t think I can make a  truly reliable or legal explanation of the decision. But, in a layman’s  eye, I see three major contention points regarding Stern Decision: (a)  the scope of the decision. Is it “narrow” (as JPM argued), or does it  have wider applications (The decision by the Supreme Court is the law of  the land)? (b) Is the “consent” relevant or not? The debtors/JPM would  argue that as long as parties are consent to the compromise, so the BK  Judge can make a decision within her/his jurisdiction on both core and  non-core bk claims (non-core claims “disappeared” as parties  compromised), while others may contend the “consent” is irrelevant. (c)  Can the bk judge’s decision be final or not on a case with so many, and  so significant non-core issues like business torts? I leave these  questions for lawyers and the Judge to sort out.

Another variable is Aurelius’ argument about accrued interests ($1.36B).  I’m not sure how this issue can shake up the GSA. It will certainly  help add up the distribution waterfall to benefit the equity if  acknowledged by the court. It’s also a useful argument for pointing out  the one-sidedness of GSA/POR, and mistreatment of the debtors’ assets  (so the mistreatment of equities too, who might have received some  recovery if the debtors demanded the full interest payments).

In sum, I think controlling NewCo is our bottom line, plus holding up  the Releases. With both, we have hope for some meaningful recoveries if  not at this time, but will in the future. Others (objectives) will be  gravy if we can achieve them. Of course, the more we can we achieve  right now, the better.

I still hope that parties will come to their senses to reach a truly  global compromise at the doorsteps of the court house. I’m in full  fighting mode too, meanwhile.

Good Luck Everyone."

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schon abartig was hier abgeht!

warum wollte Mary den Brief nicht lesen?

Gerechtigkeit?
gerade kam ein Film über die HRE die bekanntlich mit zig Milliarden der Steuerzahler gerettet wurde - braven Bürgern die ihr Häuschen über diese scheiß Bank finanziert hatten, wurde die Zwangsversteigerung angedroht, wenn sie das Darlehen nicht sofort zurück zahlen. Auf Nachfrage der Journalisten warum? kam man mit der Begründung, man wolle indirekt den Steuerzahler schützen, dass sie nicht noch mehr für die marode Drecksbank zahlen müssen.

tja, und auf der anderen Seite schaffen es unsere tollen Volksvertreter, 1-2 Jahre über 8 Euro Harz4 Erhöhung zu diskutieren - ha, ha, ha
Verarschung hoch zehn, dank Merkel und Konsorten!
Sie selbst stopfen sich natürlich mit immer neuen Zulagen und Diätenerhöhungen. Für ihre hohen Pension müßte ein Normalverdiener 200 Jahre arbeiten! ha, ha, ha

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Zitat marymbobh:

We are seeing the debtors filing objection upon objection, seeking to exclude testimony, ignoring devastating legal objections to their position, battling sealed filings, racing to depositions, and generally attempting to keep the record in such a state that they can continue to say with a straight face 'we expect POR v6 to be confirmed by the bankruptcy court.' From the sound of things on the day before the start of the confirmation hearings, there is a serious amount of debtor blood in the water and the sharks are racing in to feed on debtor flesh. We have no idea what Susman and team have uncovered but it is obviously something huge to get TPS to pile onto the debtors with them without even a backward glance at past bankruptcy court rulings. It looks as though no one is even taking the bankruptcy court seriously at this point as many of the latest filings seem to be targeted beyond the bankruptcy court. So...where are we going? Whatever the bankruptcy court does or does not do at the confirmation hearings, it appears that this case will be leaving for a new home, probably District Court, and...eventually a new POR that will see relatively little contribution from the debtors. The main thing of interest at the confirmation hearings is what information comes out...and the media is going to be extremely interested in that as well.
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www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110712000000000013.pdf

Motion for Admission Pro Hac Vice of Gregory A. Horowitz to Represent Aurelius Capital Management, LP

MfG.L:)

wahuq kurs steigt kontinuierlich...
wamuq eher seitwärts..tendenz leicht abwärts
wampq fällt innerhalb zwei tagen von ca 38$ auf heutiges tagestief von 32$

was kann man daraus schliessen ??

mm-spiele ?
umschichtungen ?
wissen hier schon wieder einige mehr ?

jaja....der kurs ist egal, aber interessant ist es trotzdem...im vorfeld der nächsten
3 wichtigen tage, oder ?

gruss
winner

This time around, lowest-ranking creditors appear unlikely to be paid in full and even preferred shareholders may get nothing, Starke said. Common shareholders are still farther back in the line and the company has consistently said they will get nothing.

Washington Mutual filed for bankruptcy in September 2008, a day after its savings and loan was seized by regulators in the biggest bank failure in U.S. history. The savings and loan was sold immediately by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp to JPMorgan Chase & Co (NYSE:JPM - News) for $1.88 billion.

The first 18 months of the bankruptcy was spent fighting over ownership of about $10 billion of assets, which mostly consisted of cash and tax refunds. The global settlement ended those fights and provided most of the $7 billion that Washington Mutual plans to distribute to creditors, which are mostly investors such as hedge funds that hold its securities.

JPMorgan and the FDIC divided the rest of the assets and in return dropped their legal fights with Washington Mutual.

PLAN OF ATTACK

Unable to attack the global settlement agreement, the shareholders may be pinning their hopes on making accusations of insider trading stick against a group of hedge funds that helped negotiate that deal.

The four funds -- Owl Creek Asset Management LP, Appaloosa Management LP, Centerbridge Partners LP and Aurelius Capital Management LP -- were accused by individual investor Nate Thoma of gleaning information from settlement talks to profit on Washington Mutual securities.

If that accusation sticks, the funds will not be able to collect all the interest they claim they are due, which would free some value that could flow to shareholders.

Most of the documents relating to the insider-trading accusations have been sealed, and attorneys for the official committee of equity holders did not return a call for comment.

A company spokesman declined to comment.

Shareholders will also likely try to prove Washington Mutual is giving away valuable tax breaks and legal claims. The company plans to reorganize around a small mortgage reinsurance company that will have little value except tax breaks it could use to offset future income.

Just last month, it seemed that shareholders had a deal to take a significant stake in that reorganized company, which shareholders had argued was worth billions more than the $160 million estimated by Washington Mutual. However, that deal eventually collapsed.

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Gruß
Dude44

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Motion for Admission Pro Hac Vice of Jay A. Dubow to Represent the Official Committee of Unsecured Creditors

MfG.L:)

wird hier schon wieder unerträglich. Hoffentlich passiert in den nächsten Tagen mal endlich mehr als nichts.

Gute N8

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Motion for Admission Pro Hac Vice of M. Blake Clearly to Represent the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation

MfG.L:)

die sollen endlich den Kaufpreis anpassen und uns entschädigen mit paar Dollars und gut ist...ich erzähl auch keinem denen Ihre Gaunerei im deutschen Lande weiter !!!!!!!!

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(von patience360...)

Zitat von kingedxxxxx:

You pretty much laid out where we stand.

I look forward to Mason and other shareholders trying to attack the GSA and other issues that could also help equity's cause.

Equity is in a battle and we need to take control of reorganized company while still retaining ability to go after JPM/FDIC.
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Zitat steve_ograd...:

There is really only one objective: Get this case
out of Walrath's court room.


There is really only one objective: Get this case
out of Walrath's court room.
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MfG.L:)

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Zitat govinsider:

ALL day will be spent on Objections which flooded the woefully incompetent jMW's courtroom.

Totally lost control of her court and this case, and will be quite the theatrics played out tomorrow for the world to see. Doubt anything of any significance to be revealed tomorrow, other than the nerve testing words that will flow from her lips.

I take comfort in knowing, regardless of her spineless decisions, EVERYTHING will be contested at a higher level, which can ONLY BE GOOD for team EC/Susman.

Long and Strong, and expect to purchase more tomorrow!

gov~
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07/12/2011
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Second Notice of Agenda of Matters Scheduled for Hearing Filed by Washington Mutual, Inc.. Hearing scheduled for 7/13/2011 at 09:30 AM at US Bankruptcy Court, 824 Market St., 5th Fl., Courtroom #4, Wilmington, Delaware. (Attachments: # 1 Part 2# 2 Exhibit A-E# 3 Exhibit F-H) (McRoberts, Travis) (Entered: 07/12/2011)

07/12/2011
8176
Response Debtors' Response to the First and Second Supplemental Objections of the Consortium of Trust Preferred Security Holders to Confirmation of the Modified Sixth Amended Plan of Reorganization (related document(s) 7480 , 8100 ) Filed by Washington Mutual, Inc. (McRoberts, Travis) (Entered: 07/12/2011)


MfG.L:)

die coolsten sager des heutigen tages....

@St.JCF...Das Bier brauchen die in Bayern auch, bei deren Weltsicht.
              Und die anderen brauchen's, um das auszuhalten. (einfach spitze)


@Trader84....ich denke, die Taschen der Anwälte sind noch nicht ganz voll...


@paketix.....also mich juckts im schritt ...was heisst denn das nu...?

@erlkönig.....AL=Arschloch

@staylongstayc......qash, Also, Du gibst Dir ja unheimlich viel Mühe,
                           aber an der "Kürze" musst Du noch arbeiten.


@paketix......hochberg ist der bruder von solomon?

@Ecki07......Kurs egal ?....egal is er nicht, sondern zu tief.

@Memory193.....dein Wort in Gottes Ohr........(auch wenn ich weder Christ, noch Moslem,  
                         oder sonst einer Religion angehöre)

@wamufan.......staylong, ich find es richt nach lavendel!

@Kleinst-Aktion.....Wenn die Amis das versauen mit unseren Wamus, dann will ich
                           GUIDO CANTZ FOR PRESIDENT!!!

@Andylein.......Hoffentlich passiert in den nächsten Tagen mal endlich mehr als nichts.


@alaadin.......ich halts net mehr aus... ich erzähl auch keinem denen Ihre Gaunerei im   deutschen Lande weiter !!!!!!!!





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noch einen dazu setzen.

HDL = Hab den längsten.

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Zitat:

Off to new adventures
Puget Sound Business Journal - by Kirsten Grind
Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 2:09pm PDT

Kirsten Grind
Staff Writer
Email: kgrind@bizjournals.com

Alright, alright.

I know I just told you that that I'm back from a 10-month book leave, ready to cover banking and finance in the Seattle-area again.

But, actually, I am leaving the Puget Sound Business Journal and today is my last day. I have to be a bit mysterious about what I'm doing next, suffice to say that I'll remain with the newspaper's parent company, American City Business Journals, working on a new endeavor that will allow me to cover finance on a national scale. You will hear a lot more about this in the coming weeks and months.

Meanwhile, your first question is likely to be: Who will take over leading the Business Journal's award-winning coverage of banking and finance across the Puget Sound region? The answer is: My very capable colleague Kelly Gilblom, who will take over the position that she filled while I was on leave. Gilblom will continue to cover wealth management firms and Russell Investments, as well as banks and other finance companies throughout the region. You can reach her at kgilblom@bizjournals.com or (206) 876-5428. On Twitter she's at @KellyGilblom.

You can also still reach me at kirstengrind@gmail.com and, of course, follow me on Twitter at @KirstenGrind.

Meanwhile, rather than leave you with a long sign-off, as is the practice of many journalists, I'll assume that my sources and co-workers know how much they're appreciated, and instead list my favorite five stories that I've written over the last three years.

(In no particular order and, believe me, it was hard to narrow down.)

1. The Downfall of Washington Mutual (actually, the whole series on WaMu's Final Days)

2. Foreclosed: A Week Inside the Crisis in King County: Auburn family's path to foreclosure began with mortgage after two bankruptcies

3. Developer Mike Mastro's troubles mount (Bankrupt developer Mastro is all over the news now, but my colleague Jeanne Lang Jones and I were the first to break the story after months of legwork.)

4. Insiders detail reasons for WaMu's failure

5. Seized and Sold: Frontier Bank had a $450 million rescue plan, but regulators rejected the deal

And, I couldn't leave out my favorite blogging experience, the WaMu congressional hearing on Capitol Hill.
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MfG.L:)

Wenn man sich den Nachtrag zum Einspruch der TPSler ansieht  www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110707000000000008.pdf, dem sich das EC übrigens gestern angeschlossen hat, www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110711000000000034.pdf dann findet man ab Seite 4 haufenweise Rechtstreitigkeiten, die sich überwiegend mit WMI und JPM befassen. Interessant und mir unbekannt ist der folgende Inhalt. (Seite 111)

Avoidance and Recovery of Capital Contributions Pursuant to 11 U.S.C. §§ 548, 550

P: WMI; WMI Investment

D: JPMC

• WMI made capital contributions to WMB within 2 years of filing for bankruptcy for
which it did not receive reasonably equivalent value.

• JPMC, as successor to WMB, owes WMI approximately $6.5 billion for the fraudulent transfers made by WMI to WMB.

Danach geht es darum dass, ANGEBLICH WMI innerhalb von 2 Jahren NACH Einreichung des Insolvenzantrages Zahlungen an WMB geleistet hat, ohne dafür nennenswerte Gegenleistungen erhalten zu haben. Insgesamt geht es dabei um $ 6,5 Mrd. und das beinhaltet nicht das Deposit mit ca. $ 3,7 Mrd.

Auch interessant auf Seite 105:

Request for Turnover or Compensation for Trust Preferred Securities
P: FDIC

D: WMI; WMI Investment

• In the alternative, the FDIC seeks an order requiring WMI to turnover the TPS to the
FDIC-Receiver, or pay a sum to the FDIC equal to the full amount of any liquidation
preference accompanying the TPS.

Das bedeutet, dass die Wertpapiere der TPS noch physisch in den Händen von WMI sind, da ansonsten dieser Antrag nicht vorliegen würde.

Die Liste ist insgesamt gut zu lesen, da sie auch für einen Nichtjuristen nicht nur einigermaßen verständlich ist sondern auch klar macht, welchen Wert die Releases wirklich haben. Das ist schon beachtlich und war mir in dieser Dimension nicht bewusst.

GN8

MfG.L:)