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up bis Freitach/Montach an die 7700, dann wieder runter um neue lows zu machen...
aber uffpasse bei 7700, kann dann auch 200-400 pkt weiter....
aber uffpasse bei 7700, kann dann auch 200-400 pkt weiter....
Gruß Pichel
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hmm..pichel, wenn der bereich 7764-7777 wieder überwunden wird, erzeugt das ein kaufsignal für long. naja, für 400 punkte nach oben darf man dann wohl zufrieden sein, wenn es so eintreffen sollte.
greetz uedewo
Auf derivatecheck gefunden
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Veröffentlichung der Zahlen zum europäischen Außenhandel in der ersten Schätzung für November und in der revidierten Fassung für Oktober 2007
aktuell:
Euro-Zone:
Die Handelsbilanz der Euro-Zone weist in der ersten Schätzung für November einen Überschuss von 2,6 Mrd. Euro aus.
11:00 (MEZ)
Ort: Luxemburg, Luxemburg
Land: EU
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Veröffentlichung der Zahlen zum europäischen Außenhandel in der ersten Schätzung für November und in der revidierten Fassung für Oktober 2007
aktuell:
Euro-Zone:
Die Handelsbilanz der Euro-Zone weist in der ersten Schätzung für November einen Überschuss von 2,6 Mrd. Euro aus.
derivatecheck.de
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Veröffentlichung der Zahlen zur europäischen Produktion im Baugwerbe ("Construction Output") für November 2007
aktuell:
Euro-Zone:
Die Produktion im Baugewerbe ist im Bereich der Eurozone im November um 0,8 % gefallen.
11:00 (MEZ)
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Land: EU
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Veröffentlichung der Zahlen zur europäischen Produktion im Baugwerbe ("Construction Output") für November 2007
aktuell:
Euro-Zone:
Die Produktion im Baugewerbe ist im Bereich der Eurozone im November um 0,8 % gefallen.
Merril Lynch und die Erstantraege Arbeitslosenhilfe um 14,30 in Amerika ?
Merrill Posts Second Straight Loss After $11.5 Bln Writedown
Merrill Lynch & Co. reported a second straight quarterly loss after writing down $11.5 billion of subprime mortgages and bonds, ousting its chief executive officer and losing almost half of its market value in 2007.
The fourth-quarter net loss of $9.83 billion, or $12.01 a share, compared with earnings of $2.35 billion, or $2.41, a year earlier, New York-based Merrill said today in a statement. Analysts were estimating the largest U.S. brokerage would post a loss of $4.82 a share, according to a survey by Bloomberg. The decline resulted in Merrill's first full-year loss since 1989.
``While the firm's earnings performance for the year is clearly unacceptable, over the last few weeks we have substantially strengthened the firm's liquidity and balance sheet,'' Chief Executive Officer John Thain said in the statement. Thain joined Merrill last month, replacing Stan O'Neal, whose gamble on building the subprime mortgage business backfired as U.S. homeowner defaults surged to a 20-year high.
Merrill is the third of the five biggest securities firms to post a loss, capping the companies' worst quarter ever. Thain, the former president of Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Wall Street's most profitable firm, has replaced senior executives and taken steps to replenish capital during the past month by raising $12 billion from outside investors.
``Thain is repositioning the firm to start fresh with a strong balance sheet, once these couple of bad quarters get out of the way,'' said Matthew Albrecht, an analyst at Standard & Poor's in New York who rates Merrill shares ``hold.''
Lower Bonuses
The company's full-year loss was $7.78 billion compared with record net income of $11.6 billion at Goldman, the biggest U.S. securities firm by market value, and earnings of $3.2 billion posted by Morgan Stanley, the industry's No. 2 firm. Morgan Stanley and Bear Stearns Cos., like Merrill, reported their biggest losses in the fourth quarter. Goldman and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. had profits. All the firms are based in New York.
Thain has reduced 2007 bonuses in some divisions and cut jobs in the fixed-income unit, where the writedowns originated.
Several executives tied to O'Neal have departed, including former U.S. brokerage chief McIntyre ``Mac'' Gardner. Thain also has recruited executives from his most-recent employer, NYSE Euronext, hiring Nelson Chai to replace Jeff Edwards as chief financial officer.
Merrill, the third-biggest U.S. securities firm, fell 42 percent last year in NYSE trading, the third-worst performance among the 12 stocks tracked by the Amex Securities Broker/Dealer Index. Goldman, which profited by betting on a decline in prices for mortgage securities, gained 7.9 percent in the same period.
Goldman Comparison
Merrill, whose market value was greater than Goldman as recently as 2006, is now worth half as much. Thain, 52, worked at Goldman from 1979 to 2004, when he left to become CEO of NYSE Euronext.
The writedowns by Merrill add to more than $100 billion of subprime-related losses reported since May by the world's largest banks and securities firms. Citigroup Inc. posted the biggest loss in its 196-year history earlier this week as the largest U.S. bank's subprime mortgage investments and related securities tumbled in value by $18 billion.
With its capital depleted, Merrill said Jan. 15 that it sold $6.6 billion of preferred stock to a group of investors including the Korean Investment Corp., Kuwait Investment Authority and Mizuho Corporate Bank. The transaction followed the sale in December of as much as $6.2 billion in stock. Thain has freed up at least $2.1 billion in additional capital by selling assets, including Merrill Lynch Life Insurance Co. and Merrill Lynch Capital, a financer of medium-size companies.
Merrill is a passive, minority investor in Bloomberg LP, the parent of Bloomberg News.
Mortgage Securities
Before his ouster in October, O'Neal acknowledged that Merrill held onto many of the mortgage securities it created rather than selling them to customers, as it had before the housing market started to slow. O'Neal also bought subprime lender First Franklin Financial Corp. for $1.3 billion at the end of 2006 just as the market for housing-linked securities was beginning to wither.
Merrill held $8.8 billion of subprime mortgages by June and $32.1 billion of collateralized debt obligations, or CDOs, securities packaged from mortgage bonds, loans and other debt.
Many CDOs were downgraded by Standard & Poor's and Moody's Investors Service as an increasing number of borrowers fell behind on home-loan payments, sending prices on some of the securities plunging to as little as 30 cents on the dollar.
Merrill's 1989 net loss of $213 million, under then-CEO William Schreyer, was the first since the firm went public in 1971. That loss works out to about $350 million in 2007 dollars.
Founder Charles Merrill, who burnished his reputation by telling customers to sell stocks just before the 1929 stock market, would be appalled at the firm's ``bubble mentality'' of recent years, said Edwin Perkins, author of the 1999 biography of Merrill, ``Wall Street to Main Street.''
``Things just get out of control, and once you're involved in it, there's no way to get out of it gracefully,'' said Perkins, now a professor emeritus of business history at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles
Merrill Lynch & Co. reported a second straight quarterly loss after writing down $11.5 billion of subprime mortgages and bonds, ousting its chief executive officer and losing almost half of its market value in 2007.
The fourth-quarter net loss of $9.83 billion, or $12.01 a share, compared with earnings of $2.35 billion, or $2.41, a year earlier, New York-based Merrill said today in a statement. Analysts were estimating the largest U.S. brokerage would post a loss of $4.82 a share, according to a survey by Bloomberg. The decline resulted in Merrill's first full-year loss since 1989.
``While the firm's earnings performance for the year is clearly unacceptable, over the last few weeks we have substantially strengthened the firm's liquidity and balance sheet,'' Chief Executive Officer John Thain said in the statement. Thain joined Merrill last month, replacing Stan O'Neal, whose gamble on building the subprime mortgage business backfired as U.S. homeowner defaults surged to a 20-year high.
Merrill is the third of the five biggest securities firms to post a loss, capping the companies' worst quarter ever. Thain, the former president of Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Wall Street's most profitable firm, has replaced senior executives and taken steps to replenish capital during the past month by raising $12 billion from outside investors.
``Thain is repositioning the firm to start fresh with a strong balance sheet, once these couple of bad quarters get out of the way,'' said Matthew Albrecht, an analyst at Standard & Poor's in New York who rates Merrill shares ``hold.''
Lower Bonuses
The company's full-year loss was $7.78 billion compared with record net income of $11.6 billion at Goldman, the biggest U.S. securities firm by market value, and earnings of $3.2 billion posted by Morgan Stanley, the industry's No. 2 firm. Morgan Stanley and Bear Stearns Cos., like Merrill, reported their biggest losses in the fourth quarter. Goldman and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. had profits. All the firms are based in New York.
Thain has reduced 2007 bonuses in some divisions and cut jobs in the fixed-income unit, where the writedowns originated.
Several executives tied to O'Neal have departed, including former U.S. brokerage chief McIntyre ``Mac'' Gardner. Thain also has recruited executives from his most-recent employer, NYSE Euronext, hiring Nelson Chai to replace Jeff Edwards as chief financial officer.
Merrill, the third-biggest U.S. securities firm, fell 42 percent last year in NYSE trading, the third-worst performance among the 12 stocks tracked by the Amex Securities Broker/Dealer Index. Goldman, which profited by betting on a decline in prices for mortgage securities, gained 7.9 percent in the same period.
Goldman Comparison
Merrill, whose market value was greater than Goldman as recently as 2006, is now worth half as much. Thain, 52, worked at Goldman from 1979 to 2004, when he left to become CEO of NYSE Euronext.
The writedowns by Merrill add to more than $100 billion of subprime-related losses reported since May by the world's largest banks and securities firms. Citigroup Inc. posted the biggest loss in its 196-year history earlier this week as the largest U.S. bank's subprime mortgage investments and related securities tumbled in value by $18 billion.
With its capital depleted, Merrill said Jan. 15 that it sold $6.6 billion of preferred stock to a group of investors including the Korean Investment Corp., Kuwait Investment Authority and Mizuho Corporate Bank. The transaction followed the sale in December of as much as $6.2 billion in stock. Thain has freed up at least $2.1 billion in additional capital by selling assets, including Merrill Lynch Life Insurance Co. and Merrill Lynch Capital, a financer of medium-size companies.
Merrill is a passive, minority investor in Bloomberg LP, the parent of Bloomberg News.
Mortgage Securities
Before his ouster in October, O'Neal acknowledged that Merrill held onto many of the mortgage securities it created rather than selling them to customers, as it had before the housing market started to slow. O'Neal also bought subprime lender First Franklin Financial Corp. for $1.3 billion at the end of 2006 just as the market for housing-linked securities was beginning to wither.
Merrill held $8.8 billion of subprime mortgages by June and $32.1 billion of collateralized debt obligations, or CDOs, securities packaged from mortgage bonds, loans and other debt.
Many CDOs were downgraded by Standard & Poor's and Moody's Investors Service as an increasing number of borrowers fell behind on home-loan payments, sending prices on some of the securities plunging to as little as 30 cents on the dollar.
Merrill's 1989 net loss of $213 million, under then-CEO William Schreyer, was the first since the firm went public in 1971. That loss works out to about $350 million in 2007 dollars.
Founder Charles Merrill, who burnished his reputation by telling customers to sell stocks just before the 1929 stock market, would be appalled at the firm's ``bubble mentality'' of recent years, said Edwin Perkins, author of the 1999 biography of Merrill, ``Wall Street to Main Street.''
``Things just get out of control, and once you're involved in it, there's no way to get out of it gracefully,'' said Perkins, now a professor emeritus of business history at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles
morgen ja wieder recht gehabt :O)
Auch eine lange Reise beginnt mit einem ersten Schritt...
gen. Alles revidiert, markt anschauen....neutral
Gruß Pichel
und dann hast du ein 50/50 Chance. Und das ist reinstes Glücksspiel.
http://www.ariva.de/...ich_jetzt_flat_t283343?pnr=3902660#jump3902660
http://www.ariva.de/...ich_jetzt_flat_t283343?pnr=3902660#jump3902660
Ehrlich gesagt nicht überraschend... 14 Mrd. abgeschrieben tztztz
Schaut sich die SEC eigentlich an wie diese Zahlen ermittelt werden?
Wenn ich da nach US-GAAP bilanziere gilt das Niederstwertprinzip, wie bei unserem HGB. Eine Bewertung zu Marktwerten würde mich da schon eher interessieren. Dann sähe man die wirkliche Rezessionsauswirkung und nicht nur diese hingeklatschten Zahlen.
Niederstwertprinzip = erstmal 100% abschreiben und danach sehen was wieder reinkommt
Da lobe ich mir doch IFRS :-)
Schaut sich die SEC eigentlich an wie diese Zahlen ermittelt werden?
Wenn ich da nach US-GAAP bilanziere gilt das Niederstwertprinzip, wie bei unserem HGB. Eine Bewertung zu Marktwerten würde mich da schon eher interessieren. Dann sähe man die wirkliche Rezessionsauswirkung und nicht nur diese hingeklatschten Zahlen.
Niederstwertprinzip = erstmal 100% abschreiben und danach sehen was wieder reinkommt
Da lobe ich mir doch IFRS :-)
gehen, auf der währungsseite spielt im mo die musik put auf euro-yen pichel den spielen wir doch, und das ding ist im plus ziel 150.....
US housing -25% 12 Jahres tief
jobless claim fall 21T to 301000
Housing starts -14% 16jahres tief im Dezember
jobless claim fall 21T to 301000
Housing starts -14% 16jahres tief im Dezember
Die Zahl der Erstanträge ist in den USA auf 301.000 gestiegen. Erwartet wurden 335.000 neue Anträge nach zuvor 322.000.
gestiegen ? Dumme Schreiberlinge. Wer meldet sich schon in der ersten Woche arbeitslos, die meisten sich doch erfroren, die auf der Strasse leben.
gestiegen ? Dumme Schreiberlinge. Wer meldet sich schon in der ersten Woche arbeitslos, die meisten sich doch erfroren, die auf der Strasse leben.
Kein Geist ist in Ordnung, dem der Sinn für Humor fehlt. (Samuel Coleridge)
derzeit wird vorbörslich ganz schön viel grün gekauft..
Bernanke
hast Du einen link wie das letze mal ?
was glaubst Du wo die reise heute im do & nas hingeht ?
greets
sw
Bernanke
hast Du einen link wie das letze mal ?
was glaubst Du wo die reise heute im do & nas hingeht ?
greets
sw
sehen, wer stärker is...
die wechgefrorenen oder hiob lünch ...
die wechgefrorenen oder hiob lünch ...
Auch eine lange Reise beginnt mit einem ersten Schritt...
Es wird heute in Amerika wieder heftig zur Sache gehen; hoch volatil.
Nix für Zartbesaitete.
Mittlerweile sehne ich mich nach einem richtigen Donnerwetter, einem Crash, von mindestens 10%.
Da weiß man dann wenigstens, wie es weitergeht ....
Ich bleibe weg vom Markt. Habe wieder mal mit Hochtief mein Depot um 3% verringert ...
Nix für Zartbesaitete.
Mittlerweile sehne ich mich nach einem richtigen Donnerwetter, einem Crash, von mindestens 10%.
Da weiß man dann wenigstens, wie es weitergeht ....
Ich bleibe weg vom Markt. Habe wieder mal mit Hochtief mein Depot um 3% verringert ...
(Verkleinert auf 93%) 
Gruss Ice
Börsengewinne sind Schmerzengeld. Erst kommen die Schmerzen, dann das Geld...(A.K.)
Börsengewinne sind Schmerzengeld. Erst kommen die Schmerzen, dann das Geld...(A.K.)
ich lieg ja schon weit vorne, da ich vorher schon bei Bruch der 160 rein bin und nicht erst abwarte bis der BB kauft ;-)
Gruß Pichel
Grund: Arbeitslosenzahlen & Bernie..ML "war ja schon bekannnt"......Falle ?
PS Bernanke live gestreamt unter
www.cnbc.com/id/15839285
coming up (Java app)
PS Bernanke live gestreamt unter
www.cnbc.com/id/15839285
coming up (Java app)
Arbeitslosenzahlen auf Wochenbasis = allenfalls Strohfeuer
Bernie und Bush werden schon irgend etwas da ausbrüten. Marktreaktion darauf aber völlig unkalkulierbar.
Nach wie vor: VORSICHT !
Bernie und Bush werden schon irgend etwas da ausbrüten. Marktreaktion darauf aber völlig unkalkulierbar.
Nach wie vor: VORSICHT !
"Die Marktstimmung ist zurzeit klar negativ und die Unsicherheit der Anleger durch die hohen Kursverluste der vergangenen Tage deutlich gestiegen. Es wird jetzt etwas Zeit brauchen, um die Nerven der Investoren zu beruhigen. Wenn die durchaus vorhandenen guten Nachrichten auch wieder Beachtung finden, könnten sich die Kurse nachhaltig erholen", vermutet Jan Vrbsky von der Baaderbank.
schon genug sind. in den gasetten wird jedenfalls schon genug von den schlechten entwicklungen der letzten tage geschrieben. m.m.n. langsam zeit, long-pos. aufzubauen.
greetz uedewo
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