Ich komme aber auf mindestens 3.333%
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$8 -$10 wären allen wahrscheinlich das liebste, aber es kommt meist immer anders...
JPM ihre aktien aufstockt und uns mit den (druckfrischen) titeln entschädigt?
bin kein aktienrechtler - wäre sowas überhaupt denkbar/machbar...?
wie bekannt muss man bei WAMU/JPM ja etwas über den tellerrand hinaus denken...
bin gespannt auf euer feedback
save - also abwarten Leute. Es gibt noch keine ofizielle Stellungnahme.
CBNC schreibt z.B: "WaMu amends bankruptcy plan; FDIC support unclear....!!!!!!!"
www.cnbc.com/id/37192305
Strong bleiben ;)
CBNC schreibt z.B: "WaMu amends bankruptcy plan; FDIC support unclear....!!!!!!!"
www.cnbc.com/id/37192305
Strong bleiben ;)
Nichts geschieht ohne Risiko,aber ohne Risiko geschieht auch nichts....!
WIR entschädigt werden sollen und Alle Parteien zufrieden gestellt werden sollen, dann werden WIR noch ein Kursfall erleben MÜSSEN!!!!
Und darauf warte ich um günstig nachzulegen!!!
meine Vermutung:
Könnte auch passieren das die zu einem ungünstigen Zeitpunkt noch ihre Zustimmung verkünden. Dann rauscht der Kurs nochmal in die Tiefe und die letzten Lemminge schießt es raus.
Könnte auch passieren das die zu einem ungünstigen Zeitpunkt noch ihre Zustimmung verkünden. Dann rauscht der Kurs nochmal in die Tiefe und die letzten Lemminge schießt es raus.
Ich glaube wir haben jetzt gefühlte 8,750 Vermutungen was passieren könnte / passieren wird.
Am besten warten wir einfach ab, was passiert.
Sinnvoll wären ab jetzt nurnoch FAKTEN oder NEWS
Ansonsten sehen wir bald den Wald vor lauter Bäumen nicht mehr.
Der 19.05./26.05. wird Licht ins dunkle bringen
Am besten warten wir einfach ab, was passiert.
Sinnvoll wären ab jetzt nurnoch FAKTEN oder NEWS
Ansonsten sehen wir bald den Wald vor lauter Bäumen nicht mehr.
Der 19.05./26.05. wird Licht ins dunkle bringen
Wäre möglich, Kapitalerhöhung durch Ausgabe neuer Aktien. Haben schon viele Unternehmen, auch in Deutschland, so duchgezogen. Das würde allerdings den Kurs sehr wahrscheinlich verwässern. Mal angenommen, die müssten 1.1 Mrd. Aktien bedienen, dann müsste JPM entweder auf etwa 5 Mrd aufstocken, würde den Kurs um etwa 30% drücken, oder sie machen eine tw. Barabfindung, ginge auch.
und limitierter Verkauf bei > 10 €uronen... Wie ich schon vor Monaten Posaunte..
Kannst Du Gedanken lesen? Wollte ich gerade noch schreiben.
Pecuniae imperare oportet, non servire. Senecae.
mittlerweile ist wohl alles "negative" im Kurs enthalten - wie gesagt, die MK liegt jetzt bei 200 Millionen Dollar!
positive News haben ja eh keine Auswirkung? s. Genehmigung einer HV oder Ankündigung des Gutachtens (Solomon) oder Verpflichtung der Top-Kanzlei Susman, oder, oder, oder
Kurs ging runter?!
positive News haben ja eh keine Auswirkung? s. Genehmigung einer HV oder Ankündigung des Gutachtens (Solomon) oder Verpflichtung der Top-Kanzlei Susman, oder, oder, oder
Kurs ging runter?!
Dann kanst Du den ganzen Thread eindampfen !!
Du kennst doch den Spruch: An jedem Gerücht ist auch ein klein wenig Wahrheit.
....................und um die gehts hier !!
Decon
Du kennst doch den Spruch: An jedem Gerücht ist auch ein klein wenig Wahrheit.
....................und um die gehts hier !!
Decon
Decon1401 anno 2010: Nicht weniger als 8$ !!
der Kurs! - nicht die Aussichten! ;-)
(Verkleinert auf 70%) 
so, nach 2 oder 3 wochen enthaltsamkeit melde ich mich zurück. es ist doch immer wieder schön in den urlaub zu fahren, wiederzukommen und festzustellen, dass kursseitig nichts passiert ist... grins
inhaltlich allerdings sind wir eine ganze ecke weiter. rosen geht in die offensive, was aus meiner sicht gutes verheißt. wir biegen so langsam in die zielgerade ein. oder beim beispiel der urlaubsreise zu bleiben, noch drei orte weiter und wir sind am urlaubsziel. nun kann man nur hoffen, dass nicht irgendwelche straßen wegen lavinengefahr gesperrt sind und das auto bei dieser berg und talfahrt bis dahin keinen getriebeschaden bekommt.
ab jetzt gehts quasi los mit dreckigen, also so richtig dreckigen spielen. so, und nun wieder zurücklehnen und den weitern weg genießen. da kommt was einmaliges in der finanzgeschicht auf uns drauf zu.
greetz
inhaltlich allerdings sind wir eine ganze ecke weiter. rosen geht in die offensive, was aus meiner sicht gutes verheißt. wir biegen so langsam in die zielgerade ein. oder beim beispiel der urlaubsreise zu bleiben, noch drei orte weiter und wir sind am urlaubsziel. nun kann man nur hoffen, dass nicht irgendwelche straßen wegen lavinengefahr gesperrt sind und das auto bei dieser berg und talfahrt bis dahin keinen getriebeschaden bekommt.
ab jetzt gehts quasi los mit dreckigen, also so richtig dreckigen spielen. so, und nun wieder zurücklehnen und den weitern weg genießen. da kommt was einmaliges in der finanzgeschicht auf uns drauf zu.
greetz
CTDBQ (.027 -46%) Wins Court Approval of Reorganization Plan
May 18, 2010, 12:04 AM EDT
May 18 (Bloomberg) -- Citadel Broadcasting Corp., the third-largest radio station owner in the U.S., won court approval to exit bankruptcy over the objections of shareholders who said the company is worth more than executives and bankers assert.
U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Burton Lifland in Manhattan said yesterday he will sign a confirmation order approving Citadel’s reorganization plan. He overruled objections by the shareholders.
“The debtor has met the burden of confirmation,” Lifland said at the close of a nine-hour hearing in New York that centered around the subject of the valuation of the company’s worth.
Shareholders led by Aurelius Capital Partners LP opposed the plan, saying that bankers valued the company too low, thus denying owners of stock any recovery on their investment. Lazard Ltd., Citadel’s banker, used the company’s earnings projections to arrive at a valuation showing the company is worth less than its debt.
Citadel, based in Las Vegas, filed for Chapter 11 protection from creditors in December, saying the recession “put a chokehold on advertising spending,” its main source of revenue.
The reorganization plan will give holders of $2.14 billion of secured debt a new $762.5 million loan and 90 percent of the shares of the reorganized company. Holders of unsecured claims will receive the remaining 10 percent of the stock and $36 million in cash. Equity holders will receive nothing.
Packed Courtroom
More than 55 people packed the Manhattan courtroom yesterday for the second of a two-day confirmation hearing during which Lifland heard testimony from bankers, analysts and Citadel’s top executives about the fairness of the valuation.
Lifland refused to delay the hearing on the confirmation, after he denied opponents a chance to have an expert witness testify.
He refused to allow testimony from a professor of finance who planned to testify about the valuation of the company. Lifland agreed with Citadel’s lawyers that the witness didn’t have expertise in valuations of broadcasting companies.
“We’re dealing with the radio industry sandbox and there are a lot of nuances in that sandbox,” Lifland said. “There is no nexus between his credentials and the subject matter of his testimony.”
Allan Brilliant, a lawyer for Aurelius, had asked the judge to postpone the rest of the hearing to give shareholders time to come up with new expert testimony about the valuation. The judge gave them one hour.
Industry Analyst
Christopher Ensley, a former radio industry analyst at Bear Stearns who testified for Aurelius earlier yesterday, was asked by Brilliant to develop an opinion on Citadel’s valuation during that recess and take the stand again.
Upon returning from the recess, Brilliant asked the judge to adjourn the hearing until the end of the week to give Ensley more time to calculate the valuation.
“It’s not fair for Mr. Ensley to prepare this valuation in one hour in the hall,” Brilliant said.
The judge denied the request for extra time.
The witness whom Lifland didn’t allow to testify was Gregg Jarrell, a professor at the University of Rochester.
Brilliant said he had no comment when asked if Aurelius would appeal the ruling confirming the plan.
Low Projections
Aurelius argued that a recovery in radio advertising indicates that Citadel’s projections for earnings and revenue this year are too low.
Citadel updated its projection for 2010 Ebitda -- or earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization - - after a better-than-expected first quarter. Lazard increased the company’s valuation to reflect that higher Ebitda estimate. Lazard values the company at $1.91 billion to $2.165 billion, with a midpoint of $2.04 billion, less than its $2.28 billion in secured and unsecured claims.
“These are our best estimates as we understand them,” Farid Suleman, the company’s chief executive officer, said in court May 12. He raised the Ebitda estimate for 2010 to $232.4 million after the first quarter from about $210 million in February.
Suleman “has been very credible in his testimony,” Lifland said.
‘Glad It’s Over’
“We’re glad it’s over and we can get on with running the company,” Suleman said in an interview after the judge’s ruling.
Aurelius and two other shareholders, Virtus Capital LLC and the Kenneth S. Grossman Pension Fund, argued that the updated projections are still too low. Aurelius valued Citadel at $2.6 billion.
“What testimony has shown is we have an industry recovery and Ebitda is rising quickly,” Steve Gidumal, co-founder of Orlando-based hedge fund Virtus, said in an interview. “Now there’s testimony that the Lazard banker spent only 45 minutes vetting the increased projections by the debtor.”
Louis Zachary, the Lazard banker who supervised the Citadel valuation, said in court May 12 that he “had ample justification that management’s projections were appropriate.”
Zachary also said the bankers had received no offers from investors to buy Citadel since some expressions of interest last summer when the company was looking to either restructure its debt or be acquired.
17.3 Million Shares
Aurelius bought 17.3 million shares of Citadel beginning on March 30 for $1.35 million, Citadel said in court papers, with the stock trading at pennies.
Citadel owns 224 radio stations in cities including New York and Chicago and distributes programming to 4,000 stations. The company added $2 billion in debt when it acquired the ABC radio stations and network from Walt Disney Co. in 2007.
The largest radio station owner in the U.S. is Clear Channel Communications Inc. and the second-largest is CBS Corp.’s radio unit.
May 18, 2010, 12:04 AM EDT
May 18 (Bloomberg) -- Citadel Broadcasting Corp., the third-largest radio station owner in the U.S., won court approval to exit bankruptcy over the objections of shareholders who said the company is worth more than executives and bankers assert.
U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Burton Lifland in Manhattan said yesterday he will sign a confirmation order approving Citadel’s reorganization plan. He overruled objections by the shareholders.
“The debtor has met the burden of confirmation,” Lifland said at the close of a nine-hour hearing in New York that centered around the subject of the valuation of the company’s worth.
Shareholders led by Aurelius Capital Partners LP opposed the plan, saying that bankers valued the company too low, thus denying owners of stock any recovery on their investment. Lazard Ltd., Citadel’s banker, used the company’s earnings projections to arrive at a valuation showing the company is worth less than its debt.
Citadel, based in Las Vegas, filed for Chapter 11 protection from creditors in December, saying the recession “put a chokehold on advertising spending,” its main source of revenue.
The reorganization plan will give holders of $2.14 billion of secured debt a new $762.5 million loan and 90 percent of the shares of the reorganized company. Holders of unsecured claims will receive the remaining 10 percent of the stock and $36 million in cash. Equity holders will receive nothing.
Packed Courtroom
More than 55 people packed the Manhattan courtroom yesterday for the second of a two-day confirmation hearing during which Lifland heard testimony from bankers, analysts and Citadel’s top executives about the fairness of the valuation.
Lifland refused to delay the hearing on the confirmation, after he denied opponents a chance to have an expert witness testify.
He refused to allow testimony from a professor of finance who planned to testify about the valuation of the company. Lifland agreed with Citadel’s lawyers that the witness didn’t have expertise in valuations of broadcasting companies.
“We’re dealing with the radio industry sandbox and there are a lot of nuances in that sandbox,” Lifland said. “There is no nexus between his credentials and the subject matter of his testimony.”
Allan Brilliant, a lawyer for Aurelius, had asked the judge to postpone the rest of the hearing to give shareholders time to come up with new expert testimony about the valuation. The judge gave them one hour.
Industry Analyst
Christopher Ensley, a former radio industry analyst at Bear Stearns who testified for Aurelius earlier yesterday, was asked by Brilliant to develop an opinion on Citadel’s valuation during that recess and take the stand again.
Upon returning from the recess, Brilliant asked the judge to adjourn the hearing until the end of the week to give Ensley more time to calculate the valuation.
“It’s not fair for Mr. Ensley to prepare this valuation in one hour in the hall,” Brilliant said.
The judge denied the request for extra time.
The witness whom Lifland didn’t allow to testify was Gregg Jarrell, a professor at the University of Rochester.
Brilliant said he had no comment when asked if Aurelius would appeal the ruling confirming the plan.
Low Projections
Aurelius argued that a recovery in radio advertising indicates that Citadel’s projections for earnings and revenue this year are too low.
Citadel updated its projection for 2010 Ebitda -- or earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization - - after a better-than-expected first quarter. Lazard increased the company’s valuation to reflect that higher Ebitda estimate. Lazard values the company at $1.91 billion to $2.165 billion, with a midpoint of $2.04 billion, less than its $2.28 billion in secured and unsecured claims.
“These are our best estimates as we understand them,” Farid Suleman, the company’s chief executive officer, said in court May 12. He raised the Ebitda estimate for 2010 to $232.4 million after the first quarter from about $210 million in February.
Suleman “has been very credible in his testimony,” Lifland said.
‘Glad It’s Over’
“We’re glad it’s over and we can get on with running the company,” Suleman said in an interview after the judge’s ruling.
Aurelius and two other shareholders, Virtus Capital LLC and the Kenneth S. Grossman Pension Fund, argued that the updated projections are still too low. Aurelius valued Citadel at $2.6 billion.
“What testimony has shown is we have an industry recovery and Ebitda is rising quickly,” Steve Gidumal, co-founder of Orlando-based hedge fund Virtus, said in an interview. “Now there’s testimony that the Lazard banker spent only 45 minutes vetting the increased projections by the debtor.”
Louis Zachary, the Lazard banker who supervised the Citadel valuation, said in court May 12 that he “had ample justification that management’s projections were appropriate.”
Zachary also said the bankers had received no offers from investors to buy Citadel since some expressions of interest last summer when the company was looking to either restructure its debt or be acquired.
17.3 Million Shares
Aurelius bought 17.3 million shares of Citadel beginning on March 30 for $1.35 million, Citadel said in court papers, with the stock trading at pennies.
Citadel owns 224 radio stations in cities including New York and Chicago and distributes programming to 4,000 stations. The company added $2 billion in debt when it acquired the ABC radio stations and network from Walt Disney Co. in 2007.
The largest radio station owner in the U.S. is Clear Channel Communications Inc. and the second-largest is CBS Corp.’s radio unit.
Decon1401 anno 2010: Nicht weniger als 8$ !!
Nun gehen unsere amerikanische Freunde schon so weit und schreiben den Mr. President direkt an........ ;-)
Dear President Obama.
I am not sure if you are familiar with the outrage encompassing the illegal seizure and sale of our Washington Mutual Bank that occurred on Sep. 25th 2008. The FDIC illegally seized a completely solvent bank according to Federal Guidelines and sold it to JP Morgan for a mere $1.9 billion dollars in 90 minutes. JP Morgan had planted moles inside of WAMU to corrupt the books and essentially construct a hostile take-over. The actions of all parties involved are fraudulent and can not be accepted by your administration. Mr. President as I watched you on TV campaigning I listened to your tone of voice and watched your eyes. I could tell by your body language that you are a man of integrity and honesty and thas is why I voted for you. Now is the time for action on your behalf please for the benefit of myself and 3,500 other Washington Mutual shareholders that you investigate the true illegal actions taken in this transaction. Americans have died from heart attacks, shareholders have commited suicide, Americans have lost their total life savings, I have personally lost a significant amount of my savings due to this fraud. Please Mr. President if you would like complete insight, just read the wamuq.pk message board on yahoo finance. There are an extremem amount of very intelligent people on this board. As much as we love this country, my Great Great Grandfather was Samuel Henderson whom helped form this great country, many Americans are losing faith that massive corporations are allowed to do as they please and have a lifetime get out of jail free card. Please Mr. President spend 15 minutes of your time reading yahoofinance.com message board for WAMUQ.pk and you will have a great idea of our shareholder frustration. Thank You Mr. President and keep up the good work.
Thank You!
Thank you for contacting the White House.
President Obama is committed to creating the most open and accessible administration in American history. That begins with taking comments and questions from you, the public, through our website.
Our office receives tens of thousands of messages from Americans each day. We do our best to reply to as many as we can, but please be aware that you may find more information and answers to your questions online.
We encourage you to visit WhiteHouse.gov regularly to follow news and updates, and to learn more about President Obama's agenda for change.
For an easy-to-navigate source of information on Federal government services, please visit: www.USA.gov
Thank you again for your message.
The Office of Presidential Correspondence
Dear President Obama.
I am not sure if you are familiar with the outrage encompassing the illegal seizure and sale of our Washington Mutual Bank that occurred on Sep. 25th 2008. The FDIC illegally seized a completely solvent bank according to Federal Guidelines and sold it to JP Morgan for a mere $1.9 billion dollars in 90 minutes. JP Morgan had planted moles inside of WAMU to corrupt the books and essentially construct a hostile take-over. The actions of all parties involved are fraudulent and can not be accepted by your administration. Mr. President as I watched you on TV campaigning I listened to your tone of voice and watched your eyes. I could tell by your body language that you are a man of integrity and honesty and thas is why I voted for you. Now is the time for action on your behalf please for the benefit of myself and 3,500 other Washington Mutual shareholders that you investigate the true illegal actions taken in this transaction. Americans have died from heart attacks, shareholders have commited suicide, Americans have lost their total life savings, I have personally lost a significant amount of my savings due to this fraud. Please Mr. President if you would like complete insight, just read the wamuq.pk message board on yahoo finance. There are an extremem amount of very intelligent people on this board. As much as we love this country, my Great Great Grandfather was Samuel Henderson whom helped form this great country, many Americans are losing faith that massive corporations are allowed to do as they please and have a lifetime get out of jail free card. Please Mr. President spend 15 minutes of your time reading yahoofinance.com message board for WAMUQ.pk and you will have a great idea of our shareholder frustration. Thank You Mr. President and keep up the good work.
Thank You!
Thank you for contacting the White House.
President Obama is committed to creating the most open and accessible administration in American history. That begins with taking comments and questions from you, the public, through our website.
Our office receives tens of thousands of messages from Americans each day. We do our best to reply to as many as we can, but please be aware that you may find more information and answers to your questions online.
We encourage you to visit WhiteHouse.gov regularly to follow news and updates, and to learn more about President Obama's agenda for change.
For an easy-to-navigate source of information on Federal government services, please visit: www.USA.gov
Thank you again for your message.
The Office of Presidential Correspondence
alles negative ist noch nicht im kurs eingepriesen,denn sonst wären wir ausgebucht.
es kann noch weiter runter gehn ,
ABER NOCH VIEEEL HÖÖÖÖHER STEIGEN
es kann noch weiter runter gehn ,
ABER NOCH VIEEEL HÖÖÖÖHER STEIGEN
Ich hoffe nicht, dass wir irgendwann mal einen UNVORBEREITETEN Gutachter auf unserer Seite haben.
Was für ein Horrorszenario.....................
Was für ein Horrorszenario.....................
Decon1401 anno 2010: Nicht weniger als 8$ !!
wenn ich mich richtig erinnere, dann hat Mary gesagt: "an examiner is not needed "for now"
also ist er im Prinzip eine "Drohung" in der Hinterhand, wenn Susman weiter Unterlagen vorenthalten werden!
und gleichzeitig die Äußerung, dass dies das EC selbst machen könne!
freie Hand - einfach eine Top-Nachricht! - natürlich mit bekanntlich negativer Auswirkung auf den Kurs!?
also ist er im Prinzip eine "Drohung" in der Hinterhand, wenn Susman weiter Unterlagen vorenthalten werden!
und gleichzeitig die Äußerung, dass dies das EC selbst machen könne!
freie Hand - einfach eine Top-Nachricht! - natürlich mit bekanntlich negativer Auswirkung auf den Kurs!?
Siehst Du? Ich bin seeeehr froh, dass wir Susman und Solomon im Boot haben und das sind keine "moles".
Alles steht und fällt mit den Argumentationen von diesen beiden Personen. Und genau deshalb ist ech wichtig, nicht nur auf das m.M. nach korrupte Rechtwesen der USA zu vertrauen, sondern auch selbst aktiv zu werden.
Allerdings ist Citadel Broadcasting Corp ein ganz anders gelagerter Fall. Bei WaMu handelt es sich um eine Holding, der ihr Eigentum geraubt wurde, und da liegt unsere große Chance.
Alles steht und fällt mit den Argumentationen von diesen beiden Personen. Und genau deshalb ist ech wichtig, nicht nur auf das m.M. nach korrupte Rechtwesen der USA zu vertrauen, sondern auch selbst aktiv zu werden.
Allerdings ist Citadel Broadcasting Corp ein ganz anders gelagerter Fall. Bei WaMu handelt es sich um eine Holding, der ihr Eigentum geraubt wurde, und da liegt unsere große Chance.
wir reden uns mut zu
wir sind stark
wir sind du und ich
wir sind nur die die kuh melken wollen
wir verschwinden von der bildfläche ohne einen penny
wir gewinner gibt es nicht im kollektiv an der börse
nur ein paar wenige werden gewinnen
ich gehöre dazu,hahahaaaa
wir sind stark
wir sind du und ich
wir sind nur die die kuh melken wollen
wir verschwinden von der bildfläche ohne einen penny
wir gewinner gibt es nicht im kollektiv an der börse
nur ein paar wenige werden gewinnen
ich gehöre dazu,hahahaaaa
..."draufhauen", war nicht meine Absicht, nur deutlich klarstellen. Vielleicht bin ich da etwas zu hart in der Wortwahl gewesen.
Gruss O-I.
Gruss O-I.
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